Possible the sound he heard was uncharacteristically harsh & is why he was afraid. Thanks for reading. In the book of Genesis we read that Adam used to walk with the Lord God in the cool of the day. Further, although the phrase could be translated as a strong wind, the text would still say that he came walking in a strong wind. Two things that they did see. When they heard the sound of the Lord God walking about in the garden at the breezy time of the day, the man and his wife hid themselves from the Lord God among the trees of the garden (Gen. 3:8). So if your standard were correct, then that same standard would itself have to be outright affirmed in the Bible. Here is a portion of what I wrote on page 72 of my book, Fallen. the Bible states that the man (species) was driven out of the Garden of Eden. Maybe this is why pastors and teachers teach it this way (that God regularly walked with Adam and Eve), because they can see from the word study that this was a regular occurrence. Since the Bible doesnt make this claim, its impossible to know for sure where people get the idea from. Adam and Eve said, 'Lord, when we were in the garden, You walked with us every day. Furthermore, nothing in John 1 states that Jesus walked with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. They were to work the land 6 years right? Some scholars, such as J.J. Niehaus, have argued that the phrase translated as the cool of the day is better understood as referring a strong wind. Could the person who was walking in the Garden have been the Angel of the Lord or the Pre-Incarnate Christ? Read lev 25:20 and if you shall say what shall we eat in the 7th year? There are several possibilities, such as siblings, nephews, and nieces. When the Lord made him on the sixth day, He commanded him not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. It says that he went to the land of Nod and then she conceived a son (Enoch). "Until the cool of the day when the shadows flee away, Turn, my beloved, and be like a gazelle. They are not taking a leisurely stroll with God, they are hiding from Him as He comes to announce His judgment. Yes this is almost like apples and oranges because our parents are here in physical form but just trying to make a point and the Bible clearly says no one knows what God looks like except His Son . I hope this helps. But that isnt the point of what I wrote. The children of Israel had a great amount of lifestock during the time of their exodus. I have no doubt that they heard an audible voice when God asked, Where are you? or when He asked who told them that they were naked. I think too often we read ideas into a passage that might be accurate, but then through the years, our interpretation of the passage is taken as a given that it must be true. Theologians have long wrestled with the very concept of being made in Gods image. What do you think?? Hi Ralph, With that being said, I agree with you that it is reasonable to infer that He spent time with them, but the Bible does not imply that He did, and that was the point of this post. Adam and Eve enjoyed a relationship with God, and with each other, that was unhindered by the disruptive power of sin. Yes, I do understand that God desires relationship with His peopleto walk with them as they walk with Him. God told them, "You may eat fruit from any tree, except one. IMV they were walking in the IMAGE for which God created them with the FREE WILL to CHOOSE. They were created with perfect bodies and were husband and wife on the day they were created. 00:00. Due to the craftiness of the serpent, sin found its way into the Garden and everything fell apart. They were not merely spiritual beings at that point. Its not even hard to imagine that Adam and Eve did walk with God prior to the fall. In each case, they are basing their ideas on something that isnt stated in Scripture. Answer (1 of 22): Yes. If you want to try to build a case for the possibility, thats fine with me too. I believe the context of the above verse was a time when ADAM was NOT at enmity with God and they conferred with each other. But at least enough time passed to provide people who lived in Nod and a wife for Cain. He gives instructions and warnings and they fear Him when they disobey. He was given the title of the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil" because he knew good and evil. Thats the point of this post. Man, this helped challenge me to really read through the scriptures on this topic. For the record, I strongly reject such a notion. Thanks for the kind words. This just isnt found in the text and seems very unlikely in light of the details given in the post. God had told them to be fruitful and multiply (Genesis 1:28). (Gen 3:5-8). Based on the sheer number of people who have claimed this, it must be found somewhere in the Bible, right? God speaks, asking Adam where he is. The idea that one could walk with God, after all, had been a possible reality only once before, in Genesis 3:8, where Adam and Eve hear "the sound of the Lord God walking about in the garden." Adam and Eve were called to a radical intimacy with God, one that they forfeited through their sin, which resulted in their expulsion from Eden and . thank you so much. In conclusion, the whole of chapter 2 & 3 causes me to conclude that Adam regularly communed with God somehow; and to me probably daily (or at least almost) since we know we are the apple of His eye. Thank you for your thoughts I do understand the whirlwind , but Gen says God made them clothes from an animal to replace mans attempt of covering his nakedness. Adam and Eve heard the voice of God walking in the cool of the day.Read the KJV plus many other versions point to the fact that they walked with the voice of God. 14Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.. Even if this translation is accurate, which is debatable, it does not say that they walked with God. Gen 3:8 - Adam walking with the Lord God in Eden. I would assume that they drank goats milk during this time as well. Joshua 1:8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success. I would think that they received one on one instruction from God. There are many, many Christians who have heard and taught that Adam and Eve physically took walks with God in the garden before they sinned. But thats not at all what is going on here. You read that correctly, the Bible never states that Adam and Eve walked with God in the Garden. Although I agree, you simply cannot prove this one way or another, however I believe the scripture gives us enough evidence to assume with confadence, that Jesus did take a physical form and did actually, literally walk through the garden. Sincerely, Im not making an accusation here, but I do want to help people avoid making this mistake. Much of the talk of the Adam & Eve story revolves around how they ate the . No, I mean that God must have spent time with them in order to teach them, how else would they learn to talk, to till the land, to eat, to basically live their lives in a way that was pleasing to Him! (Vs. 21) Did the wind drive them out of the garden? The parts of the claim that are not in quotes are my reasonable inferences of your intent, given what you do *say verbatim*. Another potential source for this idea is found in the statements made about those who did walk with God. I believe one of the biggest weapons used against it is when secular opponents are more aware of the accuracy of the passages like this than we Christians who misuse and misquote them. They probably werent in the garden for very long at allperhaps just a few days to a few weeks. In order to answer the question of why God created Adam and Eve naked we first need to look as some Scriptures which show that the Bible uses clothing is a symbol of our character. Before He came to earth two thousand years ago, Jesus appeared at various times in the Old Testament in a physical form. Notice that I said that I would argue that they are probably made in His image. I didnt claim that there was a clear cut and dry case that is beyond dispute. My argument wouldnt focus on the things you mentioned. If how we are not that naive to believe that this is a new thing with Him, no we can reasonably infer that God spent time with Adam and Eve. My post simply raises the possibility that He may have used something similar to the whirlwind of Job 38:1. All these imply direct personal interaction, probably on more than one occasion. Here is just one example about working the land 26:1 make no idols. Our adversary seeks to discredit the validity of the Word of God. Adam blamed the woman, the . But since God formed (literally squeezed into shape) Adam and breathed into his nostrils and removed one of his ribs and closed up the wound and walked in the garden and spoke to Adam and Eve (and then Cain later on) in a way they could easily understand, the assumption is unavoidable that God was physically there in tangible form. He was with them when they were deceived by Satan. They may have done that, and I wouldnt have any problem with it. And I think a strong case can be made for the notion that they werent in the garden very long at all. Was it God walking or was it something different? they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the gardenThe divine Being appeared in the same manner as formerlyuttering the well-known tones of kindness, walking in some visible form (not running hastily, as one impelled by the influence of angry feelings). Its the generous support of our ministry partners that enables us to continue our eternity-shaping work. But what did they actually hear that made them afraid? I would be with this item all day and be close to me at nite. So if we can claim that they walked with God in perfect communion before sin, then we can stress how bad sin is because we dont get to do that anymore. Of course, from this view God was perceiveably with the pre-Fallen Adam and Eve, so that they had the privilege of regularly hanging out with Him. But Adam and Eve were almost certainly not in the Garden very long prior to their Fall. Keep up the good work. Adam & Eve hid themselves from God. If I am walkin* with you I would assume you are walking with me? But what comes to my mind is why would you choose this debated part to address the concern. . I appreciate your fidelity to Gods Word. When God gave commandments to Adam and Eve, he also granted them the ability to intelligently decide whether to keep that covenant from God, or choose to disobey God. To add to the post above, another theological consideration is the temple. An additional notable commentary is that God made Adam in His image and likeness, and imbued him with His Spirit the breath of life. Then God shared his thoughts to Abraham of judging Sodom and Gomorrah. Therefore while at yet there was no temptation, walking with God was natural. The first consequence of Adam and Eve's momentous decision to reject God's revelation was a . When everything fell apart, so did the people. I had always taken it for granted too that God walked with Adam in the cool of the day which He very well might haveand Id like to use my imagination and believe that He did but the Bible definitely doesnt say that He did. Why? Im not sure that it necessarily follows that there would be ongoing communion and communication between God, Adam, and Eve. Or a young stag on the mountains of Bether.". Just read John 1 it says God was there in the beginning and on earth in the flesh so just read the book. Useful insights. Genesis 3:8 ? Yet now the man and the woman are hiding from God in fear. He was there, He is everywhere and He was always with them. Because the Bible never says that Adam and Eve walked with God. Is it so hard to see that broke the fall in a righteous or right standing with God, the first family would run hard to God. Moses was only granted the backside of Jesus. Hi Greg, This could be literally translated "the wind of that day." Some think this might refer to a strong wind. My post is not arguing against the idea that Adam and Eve had some sort of relationship with the Lord prior to the Fall. And they heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden Genesis 3:8. I think we both agree that God doesnt need to appear in human form to bring the animals to Adam or to perform surgery on him. God's presence is also noted by . How do your children know how to live? In the later OT the Temple was the place of God's special presence where he made himself known and felt to Israel. There are many others that could be added to this list but this illustrates . 12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned. 1 They Could DECIDE Genesis 3:2-3. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked, so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves. God created human beings to have fellowship with him. The Bible doesnt tell us how old Cain was when he murdered his brother, but it does give us a potential clue. Thats correct, and I write about that in my book, Fallen. . We are lonesome here, and it is difficult for us to remember how much You love us.' . Adam and Eve got to literally hang out with God all day long, face to face. We must know that Eve and Adam's life in the Garden of Eden was beyond happy. Tim. Even the best of our actions is imperfect. Fifth, if someone doesn't like the idea that God knew they would be . And therefore, it seems to me familiarity was brought about by regular communion/ communication/ visits from the Lord. But arguments from silence are not strong arguments to build a positive case for something. More than like, Cains wife was his sister, or possibly a niece. The point of my post was not to condemn anyone who believes that they did. Thanks for your thoughts on this. Say, for example, that they werent expelled from the Garden until they were 60+ or 70+ (or older). If God was in spirit form hiding would make no sense, how can you hide from someone you cant see? 5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. They had all they could ever want. Job 38:1 states, The YHWH answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said:. 6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. I never really gave it much thought that Adam and Eve walked with God in the garden.God can and does whatever He wants to do. 16 I also will do this unto you I will appoint unto you terror consumption burning ague that shall consume the eyes and cause sorrow of heart and you shall sow your seed in vain your enemies shall eat it17 and I will set my face against you 18 and if you still dont listen to Mei will punish you 7 times more for your sins please not that it is sin that seperates man from god. And how many times is this a supporting argument for a main point or the main point itself? Hi Nucc, To find out why God made you we have to look in the Bible. 3. Well, in Genesis 2, Adam names the animals, and the only words quoted from him in Gen. 2 have to do with what he said when he met Eve: This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh (Genesis 2:23). 16 The Lord God commanded the man, saying, "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; 17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and . Hebrews 13:8 God is the same yesterday, and to day and forever more. I am so happy to find your website. He could have spoken out of a whirlwind to them and banished them from the Garden in that form. I believe whenever we read the words The Word of the Lord came to such and such prophet, that means Jesus (who is the Word of God)literally came to that individual as Jesus appeared to John on the Island of Patmos. One fine, perfect Edenic day Eve was out walking. And 2 kids who wont hear it that way from Dad. I agree with you that we cannot say with certainty that God walked with them, I am just here to point out that the language suggests a repetitive habit of God. (Gen. 3:8) Adam is placed in the garden to "cultivate (abad)" and "keep (samar)" it (Gen 2:15). Adam fell because he freely chose to disobey God, but second because he listened to his wife who had also freely chosen to disobey. God bless! So, it is not a far stretch to suppose that God and Adam might have walked together in the Garden, if not regularly, else why would God have gone to the trouble to create a garden and put man into it, if not to have a direct relationship. Then it says that Adam & Eve hid themselves from God's presence and then they confessed that they "heard" His voice and hid themselves from His voice. We cant know because the Bible doesnt speak to this at all. Adam's spiritual life, through fellowship with God, depended on Adam's respect for God's laws. The Hebrew verb, halak, is translated as "walking" in this passage. 2. The strong wind or breezy alternative is reflected in the notes of many English Bibles, such as the NASB, NET, and ESV, and it is even the translation of the HCSB. God goes to great lengths to explain how he wants the relationship to be. But even these passages do not necessarily imply that Enoch and Noah physically took walks with God. Whirlwinds dont speakunless it is God appearing in that form. God cannot look upon sin ( Habakkuk 1:13) and that's why He told Moses no one can see His face and live ( Exodus 33:20 ). They were created pre-programmed by God. I believe it is very important to know what is and isnt in the Bible. why couldnt it have been Jesus walking in the garden. Now there is no way to prove that God actually walked with them or actually spent anytime with them, it is just implied from His habitual coming to the garden in the cool of the day. Regarding your logic in your blog post here, titled, Did Adam and Eve Walk with God in the Garden? If strong wind is a better translation, then it would not be saying that God was walking in the garden, but instated that He was moving in the garden. Adam doesnt need to know instantly that it is God moving about, but once God speaks to Him (whether out of a whirlwind or appearing in human form or any other form) then Adam recognizes who is addressing Him. may I use your illustration in a short story that I will submit for publication on a non-commercial website (perhaps only my own personal website, if I cannot find acceptance at a more widely viewed site)? They forgot about God. Adam and Eve as well as other people born during the no-sin era. I think there are two reasons why it seems best to conclude that God had walked in the garden before: 1. In other words, he wasn't Jesus of Nazareth walking . I was afraid because I was naked, so I hid.". This verse appears immediately after our first parents rebelled against the Creator. But even that would not prove that He took strolls with Adam. I also see or notice (for first time) that the description occurred after the fall & is only described once. Perhaps some people may have this figurative sense in mind when they speak of our first parents walking with God. Thank you for reaffirming to me that we can say anything about God and find some reason for or against our reasoning, and that is why we have to be very careful to know what Gods Word says! GOD'S WORD Translation. I have a problem with Christians continually repeating that the Bible says they walked with God in the garden because it doesnt say that. With this particular issue, the reason I addressed it is because I hear it so frequently. Adam & Eve had been very naughty and they were hiding from the Lord!! Hello Tim. Thanks for your comments. Tim> However, that fact has very little to do with whether He walked with Adam and Eve in the garden. But there is no need to make the text outright say something it does not, in fact, outright say. This would still fit with the idea of God coming in judgment, which was given as a possibility in the article. So Adam hears a sound, which he knows is the sound of God. So what if he didnt say the words in genesis one would think you would be wise enough to figure it out its not hard. So when the text says that Adam heard the sound of the Lord moving in the garden, it doesnt necessarily mean that Adam knew right away that it was God making the noise. He was their friend. This is why Christians generally believe that all human life is precious. Do you think that statement is a stepping stone for misleading Gods people? What if they were some sort of Spiritual Being as God and his Son were at the time. Genesis 3:1-12; 21-24. Other Biblical accounts clearly show this - as it is God who speaks with, walks with, and assist humans to discover His nature and His love. Now go to verse 17 Cain made love to his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. I think your comments are valid additional arguments that could be used by those who favor that view, but as you seem to recognize (it seems to follow), the arguments are not watertight. Instead, it encourages people to draw a distinction between what Scripture actually states and the inferences we make based on those statements, even if they are quite reasonable. This post isnt about whether they enjoyed fellowship with Him prior to sin and walked with Him in a metaphorical sense. The serpent Satan asked her how she was doing. Song of Solomon 4:6.
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